Breaking: New points system proposed for 2010
December 10, 2009 by SJ Skid
Filed under Prime & Option, Top Story
Grand prix winner would earn 25 points, with the rest of the podium garnering 20 and 15, under a proposal for the 2010 season from the F1 Commission unveiled today. The top 10 finishers all would score points.
The change comes as a result of the expanded grid.
The Commission also approved Brawn GP’s name change to Mercedes GP, which doesn’t come as a big surprise.
Here’s the FIA’s release:
The FIA today hosted the first meeting of the F1 Commission in its new structure since the signing of the 2009 Concorde Agreement. Chaired by Commission President Bernie Ecclestone and with FIA President Jean Todt in attendance, the F1 Commission is made up of key championship stakeholders from F1 teams, promoters, suppliers and sponsors.
The F1 Commission agreed that the Brawn team will be allowed to change its chassis name from Brawn to Mercedes. The team will continue to receive payments based on its historical performance. This has been granted on a one-off exceptional basis due to Mercedes-Benz’s long-term involvement and commitment to Formula One.
The F1 Commission also proposed a number of amendments to the sporting and technical regulations, which will be put to the FIA World Motor Sport Council for final approval tomorrow morning. They include:
- Due to the expanded grid of 13 teams, a new points system for the 2010 season:
1st 25
2nd 20
3rd 15
4th 10
5th 8
6th 6
7th 5
8th 3
9th 2
10th 1– A strong mandate has been given to the Sporting Working Group, a sub-committee of the F1 Commission made up of the FIA and F1 teams, to develop detailed proposals to improve the show. These will take effect from the 2010 championship.
- The FIA and FOM will further collaborate to enhance the communication and promotion of the championship to the media and its worldwide fanbase.
The next meeting of the Formula One Commission will be held on 10 March in Bahrain.
Wow. I didn’t see this coming. Maybe it was an obvious development; I wonder, for instance, is Sir Frank Williams pushed for it given his opposition to the grid expanding too much and making points-scoring more difficult.
Thoughts? Does the additional points dilute their importance? Is 25 too much for a win?
Do you think there are any teams that might benefit from this?
[I know there's also mention of the new media and increased fan-friendly talks from the past few days. But the points system seems to be the overwhelming news.]
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I propose this
Gold metal for 1st
20 points for second
5 points for third
nothing for 4th (they should have done better)
a new car for 5th
a fancy watch for 6th
a wine of the month club sub. for 7th
a “donation has been made in your name” for 8th
a fruit cake for 9th
nothing for 10-25
summery execution for last place.
I may have missed earlier posts from Latesh0w, but this is clearly an individual who understands F1B! Welcome, if a welcome isn’t too late.
25 points for a win seems a bit much to me. It would have been nice to see point incentives for pole and fastest lap.
this is F1, the incentive for pole is 25 points
25-20-15 seems high. too NASCAR-ish
I would have went with 12-10-9-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
If they wanted to go the NASCAR route, they could give you a point point for leading a lap, and another bonus point for leading the most laps.
It is interesting that the proportions are equal for the first three places under each system. 2nd place is 80% of 1st in each system; 3rd is 60% of first. Those finishing fourth, fifth and sixth are worse off; those finishing seventh are equal to the current system; those finishing eighth, ninth and tenth are all better off under the new system.
This seems fairly equitable and necessary given the enlarged grid and the necessity of giving the midfield teams something to race for.
On the other hand, it is sad that modern points tallies will be hugely inflated compared to those of other eras.
Great analysis Sam and terrific insight. I agree with you on the inflated points too. Great job mate.
As I have said for many years the top 10 should score points as some drivers often finish 9th or 10th and end the season with nothing, but, 25, 20, 15, 10 is a bit way out. At the highest it should be 20,16,12,10, the ideal I think would be 18, 15, 12 & 10 etc: I do agree with Ryan there should be points for PP & F/L, maybe even 2 for PP & F/L only if they finish in the top 10 otherwise it goes to the next fastest. So please pass this on to J T.
Hey, heres another idea that might suit Latesh0w.
1 point deducted for every DNF.
Sing along with me… (to the 12 days of Christmas)
For the 1st past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me an unassailable ad-van-tage
For the 2nd past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me about the same I got last year (but it feels like 2 whole wins)
For the 3rd past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me a number I cannot beging to understand
For the 4th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me the whole 10 points for winning – only not
For the 5th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me a second place number I can’t fathom
For the 6th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me – I’m confuded, I get the same number all again – a 6
For the 7th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me – half a winning ticket, but not really, only 1/2 as good
For the 8th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me three whole points! And I came in last last year.
For the 9th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me two measly points
For the 10th place past the post my dear MaxTodt gave to me a point for just finishing.
For the rest of the field my dear MaxTodt gave to them, a points system they can never catch up to.
Merry Christmas.
I agree with expanding the number of cars getting into the points but I am not sure about the proposed tallie; I think 50% of the cars should get the chance to get them. The only problem with the “inflated” tallie is when comparing with previous seasons. During the last ones, a total of 39 points were awarded per race/ per championship and the top 50% of the finish grid get points. With the new tallie, only 38.5% will be able to get some of the 95 points available per championship. This means that, on average, it’s gonna be harder to get points if you are a midfield/backmarker team and as a consequence there is a good chance you won’t get any during the whole season.
We dont know the rationale behind the FIA proposal so it is unfair to point fingers at them; to me it doesn’t make a strong case; at least they should keep the same fraction of the grid having the chance to get points. Additionally, I also dont see the rationale behind keeping the same gap between 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Again, we need to hear the justification but to me, the new tally keeps the same deficiencies that the old system. IMO the old system; 10-6-4-3-2-1 weights the first two places in a proper way, but it messes it up from fourth to sixth.
If we keep the current proportions of the point system it is enough to award 51 points per championship to the first 13 finishers, allowing a variable gap between 1st and 4th to give a premium prize for winning the race, but the system would need to use fraction of points.
If the idea behind “improving” the point system is to encourage drivers to overtake and get the most out of the cars the FIA should add some incentives such as;
1 DWC point to the fastest lap driver -kind of late for kimi-
1 DWC point for the driver with highest p_start – p_finish
1 CWC point for the “fastest” pit stop
Penalize team with CWC points for mistakes during pit stops
Etc.
Etc.
It seems that F1 is heading towards a sport show rather than a pure racing sport, so this kind of treats may sound appealing for those who think the current snore-problems can be fixed by adding/removing points. In any case, I think FIA should explain the objectives behind the proposal, sell it a little bit…
I don’t dislike the idea in principle (though the prospect of a World Champion racking up over 200 points in a season is kind of wrong and will play havoc with any attempts at categorising all-time records), but I can’t shake the feeling that the 25,20,15,10 bit is designed for the innumerate. As others have already said, why the even splits? What about 20,16,13,10, or 25,19,14,10? Make winning special (not medals special, but special) again!
11th is set to receive a gold medal.
12th a silver,
bronze for 13th.
14th to get a warm handshake
15th, a limp one
16th a nice smile
17th will have a forced smile,
18th gets a sideways glance.
Under the proposed points system, 19th will receive an official talking to,
20th gets a bollocking.
21st to get a partridge in a pear tree
22nd has five go-old rings.
Alguersuari gets a wooden spoon.
last year this time we were discussing about GOLD MEDAL SYSTEM with only three drivers on the podium and the others sucks….so it’s quite an improvement! more points for everybody!
in time of crisis, fia cannot give money but give more points..
seriously this change could affect statistics, so we’ll have teams scoring point which in other periods couldn’t afford it and this isn’t so right.
If these are the rules, f1 statistics wolud be recalculated to give justice for example to Minardi, which has few points but could have some more with this new point rule..
I’m sad enough to have worked out that this would have made almost no difference to the 2009 season. The only difference would have been that Glock would have got 9th and Alonso 10th, rather than the other way around. All the other positions remain the same. (I think Heidfeld and Kubica are tied on points as well – not sure what happens after that, I guess Kubica would have beaten Heidfeld on a count-back.) Button would still have wrapped it up in Brazil.
As far as the constructors championship is concerned, the “big story” would be Ferrari beating McLaren for 3rd place, by virtue of Fisi’s 9th place in Italy 10th place in Brazil!
If I can be bothered I might do the same for the 2008 season, see whether Massa beats Hamilton to the crown, and also see what would have happened in 2007 between Hamilton/Raikkonen/”Alfonso”…
Update: 2008 – Hamilton still beats Massa by a single point. Only changes are Heidfeld beats Alonso (6th/7th), Rosberg beats Jr.Jr.(13th/14th) and Coulthard leaps into 15th ahead of both Barrichello and Nakajima (16th/17th). Not as interesting as I was expecting :o)
Regarding constructors, the only difference is that Toyota sink below both STR (now 5th) and Red Bull (now 6th) and are level on points with Williams…
As for 2007, I’m bored with numbers now, but just to say that under the proposed points system, incredibly, Raikkonen STILL beats Hamilton by a single point, although Alonso is now a clear 3rd.
On the evidence of this, I think the proposed points look quite good – not altering the top of the table, but giving the midfield and tail-enders more to scrap over. I vote Yes.
I spent 40 million euros on development of my Medal system and now they go and change the rules!!! I’m gutted.
I’m taking my shiny gold medallions and going home. Screw you Bernie!
My only concern is that the gap between 1st-2nd, 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th is the same: 5 points. Then between 4th-5th we get only a 2 point differential. I think it should be fixed so that the gap from 1st-2nd is not the same as the gap from 3rd-4th.
Wow… Just… Wow.