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Join Paul, Mark and me as we discuss the Spanish Grand Prix. We talk about each team as they finished including the concept of paying drivers, opportunity costs, Mercedes domination, race promoters, Red Bull’s veiled gains, Ferrari’s failure and even hand out awards.

Which pay driver is working and which isn’t? What kind of shoes did Paul buy and who exactly is Mark speaking with at this evenings event? It’s all revealed in this podcast.

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An F1 fan since 1972, NC has spent over 25 years in the technology industry and as a CTO, he focuses on technology integration in commercial workspace design, AV systems integration, digital media strategies, technology planning, consulting, speaking, presenting, sales, content strategy, marketing and brand building.
  • Regarding the rev-limit: I read that this really isn’t an issue as the teams don’t run anywhere near the limit, but rather around 11500 rpm which supposedly is the optimal range. I forgot exactly what the reasoning was, it had to do with the energy harvesting and that higher revs would simply burn more fuel without delivering extra energy. So increasing the rev-limit probably wouldn’t change anything.

    • Haven’t yet listened to the podcast, but regarding rev limits, it’s basically that 10.5k-ish rpm is where these engines are using the 100kgs/hr flow limit fully and “most efficiently.” I’m loathe to write another rambling post, but thermal efficiency and A/F ratios are at play here. It has to do w/ how close the manufacturers can get to stoichimetric or complete combustion within the fixed inlet/cam timing/fuel flow limits/fuel compound energy levels the tech regs outline.

      Going far above 10.5k rpm, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, should mean torque curve depresses past that point (not plateau’s as many say), faster than RPM increases horsepower, with added heat and friction in the ICE shortening life.

      Where it gets interesting is when we ask “why do they shift around 12k rpm if the all the fuel’s being used?” and “Why’s there a 15k rpm limit then?”

      Easy answer to the former is the assumed averaged hp curve is higher when shifting @ 12k than 10.5k (depending upon gearing, most cars seem to be losing around 2500 rpm in mid-gear upshifts). The engineers can let cylinder pressures fall past 10.5k rpm, maintain them while leaning the engine, or reduce scavenging via exhaust gas recirculation (adding non-combustible air into the chambers), all to keep the engine combusting spinning happily past the point where it should make most power.

      The latter option is appealing from the ERS standpoint; you’re increasing turbo recovery (compounding) and thus -H energy spinning the motor a little higher, suffering slightly decreased efficiency for increased overall “system power.”

      A 15k rpm limit offers margin as the manufacturers improve the PU’s. It’s all about energy conversion, and as they increase the current approximate 40% thermal efficiency (rad BTW, 10-15% better than any road car), up the energy potential in the fuel, increase -H compounding and marginalize ERS electrical-kinetic losses, the engineers could conceivably use more revs productively.

      Intersting subtext is how the new 8-speed boxes and the teams’ gearing is coming into play. Any racing car box means to put the motor in its highest averaged horsepower band. If Cosworth graphs are indicative, the engines have a nearly flat hp curve from approx. 10-12krpm. With the gearing seen so far, these boxes are almost acting like a CVT, which is pretty smart thinking from the rule-makers (for once).

  • TK

    Regarding NC’s solution to the engine noise, Honda tested it last year at Suzuka and posted a video footage of it on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeO2q8FzcnM
    I think V10s that year were running at about 12k rpm, about the same as this year engines but sound louder and better.

    Re: rev limit (from FIA press conference during China GP)
    Q: (Gary Anderson – Autosport) Could I just add a second part: why is it 12,000 rpm instead of 15,000rpm?
    AC: The fundamental reason is the fuel flow rate formula so you get the 100 kilograms per hour once you’re at 10,500 rpm. If you rev an engine faster, you generate more friction and friction is the enemy of an engine and the enemy of a race car because you have to reject it to the radiators and there’s then an aerodynamic deficit from doing that. None of us want to be below 10,500 rpm but none of us want to be at high revs because all you do is create heat.
    RW: There’s not much to add. The fuel flow curve, the fuel law is the thing that fixes the engine speed as Andy indicated. We hear a little bit less about the slope below 10,500 than the maximum which is 100 kilos but it is that knee point that fixes the rpm at which the engines make the best power and best efficiency and the engine speed above that is to do with the spread needed to pass the gear ratios.

    • the drivers seat

      of course there would be some other adjustments and I have no problem with increasing the
      fuel flow rate

  • nofahz

    MWM guys years ago stated that one can say what they like about Danny Sullivan but, he did date Linda Carter back in the day. So he was doing something right if Wonder Woman let him stick around

  • Rapierman

    1. Well, if you have any questions about NFL, NBA or MLB, I’m right here.

    2….and a broken clock is right twice per day.

    3. “Holy cow, that building ran right in front of me!” Daffy Duck.

    4. So, is this the point where Formula 1 becomes a “joke”?

    5. …..and the battle for supremacy goes on…..sort of.

    6. I liked it when the team principal told Hamilton to “shut up and drive”.

    7. RBR seems to be improving every race. I would not be surprised to see one of those drivers win one at some point.

    8. Another sign of life for Williams. Let’s see what happens next.

    9. Needless to say, there some internal tension going on at The Prancing Horse.

    10. Well, at least Lotus did better than….nothing.

    11. At the point where you call it “corruption”, but I don’t know if it’ll ever get there.

    12. Therein lies the problem: When somebody thinks money will solve all the world’s problems….but it just doesn’t happen.

    13. Well, Todd, I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of people who would rather see Pastor planted on top of a volcano (me being one of them), but there you are.

    14. More points for FI. I guess you can say that they were a “force” to be reckoned with.

    15. Starting to think that Magnussen was a “flash-in-the-pan”.

    16. Bad break for Vergne. Maybe next time.

    17. Pass goes to Alonso on Raikkonen late in the race, though I give honorable mention for Vettel on Bottas.

    18. Donkey goes to Vergne’s car for letting him down….well, okay, Maldo qualifies.

    19. Drive goes to Ricciardo. He finally got a legitimate 3rd place.

    20. Talk to Haas. I’m sure he’d like to pick up a few hundred guys.

  • -“Pastor-ized”… Too funny.

    -Didn’t know you guys ran commentary on Free Practice nor that you had a streaming channel. I’d absolutely listen to Todd/Paul; what I like about Sky’s FP is that Davidson or B. Senna give great racer insights, but them and Croft are more irreverent and tangential. Talk about girlfriends, or ugly tracks, whatever, mixed w/ occasional F1 opinions and insight; sounds like a fun watch. Massa using up his machine more than others is great stuff, perfect for practice.

    -Paul, I think the unfortunate difference between a pay v. performance driver for team funding is timing. A pay driver brings funds for the current or upcoming season; in the case of a Lotus or Sauber, this is critical for survival.

    Even if the payment’s in installments throughout the season, it’s faster than the performance-based FIA payout post-season. It’s a sad state taking e.g. Maldonado over say Hulkenberg, but obviously critical for Enstone’s 2014 season. I’m guessing the long-term negatives are outweighed by the present’s needs.

    -Not to slag out commentators, but since I criticize NBC… I agree, Ms. Mckenzie/Ms. Brooks are softball interviewers, and Pinks/Croft/Allison can proffer inflammatory leadings. None is as bad as Simon Lazenby, though, a non-fan who fails listening to his co-commentators, who preens for the camera like a bad reality-show host. He’s dreadful.

    -F1 v. GP2 speed It personally doesn’t bother me, but I can see how many hate the idea of motorsport’s “pinnacle” being comparable to anything else.

    Do the cars look slow to the detractors? Ignore what’s being told, and watch. I think they look fast as all get go, even more exciting than before, but if one disagrees, I’d suggest looking where the cars are slower in the past, and remember it’s the first year of a major formula change.

    With the former, acceleration and Vmax are way up, cornering speeds (according to G meter graphics and dumb dumb extrapolation) are way down. So, it’s a mechanical/aero grip issue. I don’t know how good/poor 2014’s Pirelli’s are, but I’ll assume from RBR/Merc performance they’re “ok/fine” grip-wise; likewise, suspension regs haven’t changed, so will assume they’re comparable to 2013.

    If all that’s true, it’s aero (and weight) that’ve slowed the pack; fortunately, as we’ve already seen in 2014, a new formula means a steep learning curve for the teams, and due to the incredible talent, they tackle the challenge w/ fast developmental progress; I’d wager a penny the front runners, currently about a 1-2 seconds off last year so far, will match 2013 by season’s end. In year 1 of a new formula! Next year, with evolutionary reg changes, they’ll be even faster IMO, despite the extra 50kgs being carried.

    Yes, there’s a much bigger gap this year from the front to the back markers, but to me, it’s commercial and developmental Darwinism; F1 is about being the fastest and best WITHIN A RULE SET to me. F1 has many new challenges specifically designed to slow the cars down, yet the majority of the field still destroys a GP2 car (600hp, 590kgs), and is IMO improving every event.

    Those that adapt to new regs survive and improve the breed and close the pack, a la 2009-2013, where by the end even the back markers were kinda-sorta close. Those that can’t/don’t adapt die.

  • Good podcast but I do not agree to what you’ll discussed about Red Bull. Their car has good aerodynamic grip so should have been good in Spain around high speed corners rather than Monaco which has more slow speed corners and more depends on mechanical grip. In fact faster power output by Mercedes engines means they will be even more stronger around Monaco compared to Renault which are much steadier in power output. This fact is also agreed upon by experts like Peter Winsdor and even by Rosberg.

  • the drivers seat

    Well Nico and Peter should know, buuut a steadier output as you say is a better suit for a tight street circuit (i may not be Nico but I’ve raced on my fair share of them). A smoother more drivable power output allows a driver to bulid a more fluid rhythmic lap which is very important on a street circuit. A point and squirt car takes more out of you and makes it very hard to be consistant especially with this years cars which tend to step out on you. The Red Bull was very strong on teh tight 3rd sector which lends me to believe it can do the same around Monaco and that it has good mechanical grip as well

    • I am agreeing with Paul on this one but as he says, we could be wrong. I tend to think that the Red Bull may do better at Monaco but that’s not to say they will win or have closed the deficit to Merc. Just means they should be better there.

      • The drivers seat

        Did I say I could be wrong NC? Doesn’t sound like me

        • No. I said I could be wrong. ;)

          • The drivers seat

            That’s better! Carry on

        • UAN

          races drivers are never wrong. As Pastor Maldonado and Massa continue to teach us on any given Sunday :)

          • UAN

            *race drivers (I was wrong, but I’m not a race driver or The Fonz, but I did drive by a Holiday Inn Express, so occasionally I’m not as wrong as I usually am…)

  • Re-19. Doesn’t quite make for a lost 2nd Place in Melbourne, but he’ll take it.

    • Rapierman

      Amen. ;-)

    • UAN

      welcome back Jack, hope your move went smoothly!

      The thing with the P2 in Melbourne for RIC is that he never had it so it was never really lost. The moment RB decided to ignore the advice of Race Control to adjust their fuel flow rate, it was a long shot at best that he would keep it.

      RBR themselves said he would have had a P5 at best had they adjusted the flow rate. At least RIC got to enjoy a P2 in front of his home crowd, can’t take that away!

      • I am not that upset about Melbourne’s overturned result. The stand RBR took was important for all F1 teams in 2014. Yes. They ignored the FIA directive to distinctly undershoot 100kg/hr fuel flow rate (a conservative limit set under full rate to accommodate the less than perfect FIA sensor integration). Yes. Daniel paid the price with a lost 2nd place result and lost 18 WC points. Yes. Daniel probably would have only managed 3,4 or 5th if his car was forced to use the conservative ‘save face’ FIA limits. But the end result was that the issue went to FIA Tribunal, and thus the FIA technical team was put on notice that they better get their shit sorted on the fuel flow rate sensor regulatory and integration across all teams (including a better point in fuel systems for point of measure).

        This is RBR’s good boy scout contribution to Formula 1 Teams 2014.
        Of course, most everyone else who do not like RBR at all (or Vettel dominance of winning in superior aero designed cars) were baying for RBR blood over this. Mercedes F1 made the most of a chance to get payback to RBR over tire-gate 2013 (past grudges etc.). Truth is; every team is better off, and flow sensor underlying issues settled sooner in 2014 season, because of this first race point made by RBR to the FIA. So thanks to Dan for being the guy to dive on the hand grenade (unknowingly) to save everyone else the ongoing FIA grief. JF

        • rapierman

          I dunno, Jack. I find that life goes a lot easier if I just obey while I quietly prepare to sue/grieve the hell out of the enemy. (Sure, only from my union-based point-of-view, but it does work.)

          • An American suing to settle grievances… who knew? [Just a playful dig mate ;-) ]

        • UAN

          I agree totally. The hand grenade went off, but the smile remained :)

  • Kit

    As a fairly new fan of F1 i don’t mind DRS or HD tires. But i’ve been thinking, why not just just get rid of them all together and let everyone race flat out all race? We can have Maldonado Pastorize himself during the race for the fans that want to see some action!

    BTW Awesome review! keep up the great work!

    • Bingo! We have a winner. I agree with you mate, let them run. :)

  • jeff

    I was really impressed by Vettel’s finish, and if I was Ferrari I would be so embarrassed that a guy starting in 15th – on a car with problems (so far) beat me – at my track. I agree that Brawn will be brought in, but I cannot see him turning it around for 2014.

    Let Haas buy Lotus – and one contingency be that the Crashdonaldo be Pastorized.

    You guys called Lewis “emotional”, with a negative connotation – let me see.
    He pits and loses about 3 seconds, and has an adjustment made to his car he didn’t want – the gap he worked hard to build up is vaporized and no one has a good explanation. I think you have some double-standards for Lewis, when Vettel is “emotional” – yelling at his team to “do something” or pointing at some other driver for not moving out of HIS way quick enough – you call it an aggressive driver.
    When Alonso goes on a tantrum (Massa not moving, etc.) you have other adjectives that are not negative but Lewis isn’t described that way.

    Definitely a double standard.

    • Yeah, Vettel was impressive, Ferrari not so much. Though Barcelona was always going to be on of the tracks most favorable to Red Bull.Still, Ferrari should have been better. Once again I think a lot comes down to their pull rod front suspension. They seriously need to rethink that approach for 2015. I just cannot see how the aero gains could possibly outweigh the stiff front end. It may look better in the wind tunnel, but on the track they should have learned their lesson the way McLaren did. Then again, it’s not as if McLaren is doing swell either, which personally I find even more shocking than Ferrari’s performance, particularly since McLaren started to focus on 2014 much earlier, wheres Ferrari has been fighting for the second place in the constructors championship till the very end. Actually, I see Ferrari retaining its third position, though due to Mercedes big jump ahead, it won’t be anywhere near as close as in 2013.

      As for Lewis, I think the big difference is that on the pit-radio, he either comes across as whiney or rude, not like Vettel or Alonso who may come across as aggressive but in control. Having said that, all this probably says just as much about us as we observe this and form opinions as it does about Lewis, Fernando, etc. In this race in particular, I thought that Lewis was puzzled about his pit stop and why he was brought in despite his option tires still being fine and he wanted to understand what was going on which I can sympathize with as I also always want to know the “why” and not just follow orders. In front of the TV, it seemed clear to me that this was done in order to prevent Rosberg from undercutting Hamilton, but it would have been difficult for Hamilton in his car to see.

      • Never fear, Merc says they’ll let them race because even they know it’s getting really dull for lots of fans.

      • Brody

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        Fernando in control……at he end of the 2006 U.S. Grand prix, Alonso finished in fifth place, while his teammate Fisichella woundup on the podium in third. Fernando went nuts, and screamed and raged at tne team on the radio, during the cool down lap, because he ended up in fith place.

        If Lewis had ever ever said to his piwall, ” leave me alone, I know what I’m doing,” like Kimi. Those same commentaors who smiled and laughed, while saying that’s just Kimi being Kimi, would have been shouting from the rooftops, and calling for Hamilton’s scalp if he had said the very same thing.

        • jeff

          You are so right Brody!!
          There was some race last year where Vettel was yelling at the team to “do something” because he was being passed, I busted up laughing like – dude, chill out. He went nuts.

          The double standard is all over the place, if Lewis has his girlfriend at the track – it’s an issue, but we see Vettel’s, Alonso’s even Sutil’s. OH MY!!!

    • Come on Jeff, Lewis is a pretty sensitive guy. That’s not bad thing. It’s part of his charm. To me, he was really nervous about the strategy and there’s probably a really good reason for it. :)

      • I agree, as mentioned in my response to (the other) Jeff. I enjoy seeing drivers reflective, cool, crass, cagey, humorous. F1 is a sport, and drama and emotion are such an integral part of sport. I think F1 suffers from taking itself too seriously. Yes, it’s competitive, expensive, and caters to a very polished demographic, but Hell, it should also be spontaneous, and fun! If I represented Rolex, I’d much rather have fiery competitor wearing my client’s product with flare than in carefully managed press shots.

        • Well I agree with the other Jeff too. :) however, Lewis is sensitive and that’s a plus and a minus like all things about us. Our strengths can be weaknesses too. :)

      • jeff

        Yeah, he was nervous…like Brody said – WHY DID YOU BRING ME IN? What did you do to the wing? Why did my pit take 3 seconds off my time for Rosberg? Hmmm….

    • I’m starting to think the general consensus that Haas should purchase a team rather than start from ground zero really is the prudent move. Would casual or new potential fans be less supportive because Haas F1 has European roots? Perhaps not; our isolationist or nationalistic biases only run so deep, as Indycar fandom for Central/South American and European drivers shows. As long as Haas promotes the search for an American driver and has some state-based facilities, purchasing a Lotus or Caterham and its infrastructure and personnel resources only seems sensical.

      With Hamilton, I think there’s a notion, whether true or not, that his emotions affect his performance more than Vettel or Alonso. Post-race interviews we’ll see a Vettel or Alonso spinning the same PR-edited analysis in monotone, whereas Hamilton is more animated, either joyous and verbose, or dour and even flippant. I personally enjoy more personality on display, feel too many have copied the Schumacher robot-driver approach, but acknowledge we fans want idols and superheroes; a driver putting a message on his helmet about a relationship issue shatters that image.

      It could also being the tone of the complaints. They all complain, but whereas the latter two seemingly demand and command on radio (moving a teammate aside, the car needing improvement), Hamilton oftentimes appears confused or petulant. Vettel’s dismissive “Mark’s too slow, get him out of the way” was crass and entitled to be sure, but it was also confident, allowing no doubt who was running the race. Hamilton, to me grated with comments like “I need more information, Man” or “we somehow made the car worse.” It’s an approach thing, for me…

      I must say, Lewis IMO sounds much more balanced and mature this year; I was struck in Barcelona how measured he was over radio when requesting/ordering “please don’t speak to me in the braking zones” and “no more radio” for the last lap battles w/ Rossberg. He’s said both in his Mclaren days, but with an accusatory edge that’s no longer there. I consequently like him more. Whether it’s a true change or I’m just a fickle fan, who knows… :)

      I really enjoy your name as well; Nobile!

      • jeff

        Your name is so cool!!!
        Loved that post.

    • Brody

      Jeff……you are absolutely 100% correct…..Steve Matchett a F1 commentator for NBCSports, has history of unreasonable criticism of Hamilton’s communication with his team during a race….The 2011 Korean GP comes immediately to my mind.

      • I know Steve and I also know he has no issue with Lewis. He thinks he’s a really good driver. I think Steve is coming from a team perspective having spent a large part of his life listening to drivers comment, question, complain or whine and he’s very keyed in on those communications. Lewis most likely doesn’t strike him as much different than some he’s heard. He was also very outspoken when Alonso balked Lewis while at McLaren during the pit stop so there is that side of it too. Steve is all about the team as you would expect him to be…that is his world.

        • Brody

          I thought that it was a great idea when SPEED brought on board Matchett, to join the team with Varsha and Hobbs, and offer his more technical knowledge and analysis, which was a great help for the average viewer. Matchett’s criticism of Hamilton regarding some of his radio communications with the team, is where I believe Matchett at times goes off the rails…..for example…..During the 2011 Korean GP Lewis radioed his team after a pit stop to only ask…..did they put in extra front wing?…..that’s all….did they put in extra front wing? Matchett response was, ” but I tell you what guys, and I still have a great SENSE that Hamilton is not happy with the team at all, and his radio transmission are very short and curt…..he’s not jelling with the team, and not with the team any longer.”

          Hamilton in a very moderate tone simply asked….did they put in extra front wing that’s all, and how in the world from that simple request from Lewis, did Matchett come to the conclusion that he WAS JUST NOT WITH THE TEAM ANY LONGER?

          During the recent Spanish GP, Matchett caught my attention during communicains between Lewis and the pitwall, when Steve said, ” I’m going to say it’s almost mistrust there ” and ” I’m not sure they are very comfortable there ” meaning Lewis and the team.

          • I know Steve pretty well and he’s not a sensationalist and has a lot of contacts in the teams. I think the pressure and politics are very high inside Merc and I can’t recall hearing Lewis question the team as much as he did in Spain. I think Steve is hinting at some internal strategy elements and the possibility Lewis isn’t completely convinced. I sensed that too. It also could be simply the kind of relationship he has with the team so there may be nothing to it. Time will tell.

          • UAN

            I’m sympathetic to Lewis. I think part of it stems from asking for an adjustment and him thinking he will get a certain response from the car with that adjustment. If it doesn’t happen, then he wonders, did you put it in? Better to get those questions out and answered then stew on them.

            With Merc, I think sometimes, with their engineering group and you get this sense from Toto at times, that they will just do things without the drivers’ input. That probably drives Hamilton bonkers.

            The other thing we forget, because it looks so effortless, is that these guys are doing adjustments continuously each lap, while pulling up to 5g’s decelerating, 2-3 lateral g’s going around corners, being extremely precise and consistent lap to lap, in a cockpit that runs up to and over 50 degree Celsius with about a liter of water to get them through 1.5 hrs of racing. It’s incredibly physically and mentally (and psychologically) stressful.

            I’d love to see some announcers running at 90% of their heart rate for 1.5 hrs and carrying on a conversation that sounds normal, or non emotional, etc.

    • UAN

      “You guys called Lewis “emotional”, with a negative connotation – let me see.”

      Jeff, I think different drivers get tagged with different things – Vettel for instance, is usually accused of being petulant (as well as arrogant, etc.). I know the first 3 season reviews Peter Windsor had this season he specifically called out radio calls from Vettel that all seemed rather innocuous – like “I’m don’t have power on the straight” etc. to show a petulant Vettel.

      I don’t think Hamilton came across as emotional in a bad way, though I think he was sounding a pit paranoid at times. Listening to the Sky Sports broadcast, Martin Brundle brought up that he thought Lewis sometimes uses that tone and those questions as a way to motivate himself, as if talking about the stresses and issues of the race (which is very stressful) releases the negativity so it doesn’t affect his driving in the race (and he drove incredibly well!)

      Overall, people who want to critique certain drivers can find something. I think some of Rosberg’s communications also sound a bit paranoid as well (basically – is Lewis getting special treatment that I’m not??).

      There is a double standard, but it applies equally up and down the field.

  • Julian

    Sure Lewis was emotional in the car, but I think that’s because he knew how important that win was, he wants to do everything possible to secure it and he knows how small mistakes in the team can cost you the race. Just look at what happened to him at McLaren, he may have won another championship if it wasnt for the team letting him down, McLaren had the fastest car. A winning driver has to demand perfection from his team, just like Sebastian does.

    Another point to note, if it wasnt for the technical problems in Australia, I would say Lewis would have won every race this season. The only time so far Nico has beaten him is when Lewis retired, that has to start playing on his mind. I think if Nico doesn’t win in Monaco he’s in trouble, you then go to Montreal, Austria and Silverstone, I would not bet against Lewis winning at least Montreal and Silverstone.

    • I agree. He knew he has a fierce competitor on the other half of the garage and I would imagine he’s very sensitive to if Merc is calling the shots for one side or the other. He was questioning each tactic and as I said, that’s probably for good reason. He wants to win, not be put in an intense battle with Nico just for the heck of it.

      • jeff

        Reading all these comments, you are making me rethink my conclusion…thanks.

        • No…thank you for joining the conversation and sharing your views. :) It’s fun to discuss F1 with decorum & civility. :)

  • Chuck C

    Regarding Merc winning every race:
    Even if you give them a 95% chance in each one, there’s still just slightly better than 1-in-3 (38%) that they do. It’s not a bet I’d take. :)

    DotR to Vettel, with honorable mention to Grosjean.

    • That math adds up but is a 1-3 chance enough of a margin to keep fans watching? that might be the bigger question maybe?

      • Chuck C

        Slight mistake on my part. They’ve already won 5, so it’s a 49% chance they win the final 14. Mechanical failure alone means that 95% is probably way too high, though.

        Regardless, I think that the fans like Hamilton more than they like Vettel, so I think that they’re not going anywhere any time soon.

        And you know, I didn’t think I’d be saying this, but the sound has kinda grown on me. I’m getting to like the turbo whine and being able to hear the tire squeal. It’ll never be the awesome wail of the V-10’s, but what is?

        • LOL…You are one honest person Chuck. Good for you, the sound is becoming less of an issue. That may be what Todt is referring to when he said it will go away. Claire Williams was suggesting that fans need time to settle before making rash decisions so let’s hope they’re right. At least they have Chuck in their camp. :)

        • The English (speaking) fans might like Hamilton more, I doubt the same is true for the german fans for example.

  • Rapierman

    Has anyone considered the possibility that Hamilton exhibits the signs of a manic depressive with some neurotic tendencies? Granted, I’m no psychologist, but that’s what I’m seeing.

    • Brody

      Diagnoses like yours are not suprising, and to be expected from those who are probably Hamilton detractors.

      • Defences like yours are not surprising, and to be expected from those who are definitely Hamilton fans.

        (Yin / Yang the point goes both ways). Just sayin’ ;-)

        • Brody

          Unnecessarily speculative, and unsubstantiated characteristics given to Lewis, deserves a response

      • rapierman

        Ad hominen attacks? Seriously? C’mon, we’re better than this. Ask a psychiatrist and see if I’m right or wrong. That’s much easier than personal attacks.

        • Brody

          I’ll bet that you haven’t questioned or given a negative psychological diagnoses like that to any other driver, and left your special scrutiny only for Lewis……I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

          • rapierman

            Other than Maldo’s “tunnel vision”?

  • Forget about F1 engine sounds, Mercedes dominance, Hamilton/Rosberg battle for drivers championship, Brawn coming back to Ferrari in 2015, Vettel possibly winning Monaco, Bernie legal woes, GP2 timing equal to F1,and budget battle. My god, “Fake Charlie” drops this aside, ESPN sportscenter Canada covers F1! Is it just me in hazy, hot, and humid Orlando, finds that depressing to watch highlights of every possible fringe sport covered and not even a ticker banner. While NBC Sports gives us weekly NASCAR. Now, we don’t even get to enjoy the Mobil One commercial with Stewart/Button or Vettel cooking pasta show. Whoops, forgot about next weeks live and local in Monaco. Thanks “Fake Charlie” for rolling that grenade into my room!