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Join Paul, Mark and me as we discuss the British Grand Prix. Celebrating it’s 50th edition, we cover each team as they finished including such topics as Raikkonen’s crash, Alonso’s pass, Vettel’s pass, Lewis’s win and much more. We even hand out awards.

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An F1 fan since 1972, NC has spent over 25 years in the technology industry and as a CTO, he focuses on technology integration in commercial workspace design, AV systems integration, digital media strategies, technology planning, consulting, speaking, presenting, sales, content strategy, marketing and brand building.
  • I want a Rant-Cast series. Why? Becuase I think the stupidity of FIA Reg changes just can’t be berrated adequately in just an hour and a half. F**k, F**k, F**kety F**********k !!!!!!

    • *rant* Standing starts are the most dangerous event in motor racing, and they want more of them? Why don’t we throw some gasoline on the track and light it as they all go through a ring of fire? Then the BBC could change their theme song from Fleetwood Mac to Johnny Cash. Oh sorry, burning gasoline isn’t green enough? Ok, battery acid in the first corner it is…*/rant*

    • rapierman

      Never heard of “Opposite Lock”, I take it. ;-)

  • I haven’t listened yet, but just want to say. Pass of the race? Alonso on Ricciardo. #dropsmike or whatever that tweeter mash tag is.

  • Matt

    I whole-heartedly agree with your viewpoint, F1 is about that one moment of genius or controversy that can define a whole season. Schumacher-Hill 94 for example Vettels many great Quali laps, Hamilton 08 Silverstone win. Everyone remembers that 2005 Suzuka GP, you can’t engineer that kind of entertainment.

    Racing is simple the fastest guy in the best car wins, problem is that isn’t always exciting. All of this curtailing to the “fans” whoever they are really confuses me, surely the people in charge must know more than me. What is their aim? to have success ballast and reverse grids that ruined much of the BTCC. F1 is deeper than just a DRS pass or a crash on a sunday. There are literally hundreds of people working for every team and the tech race is just as exciting.

    If the FIA would be kind enough to let me know who these fans are I will quietly direct them to my local banger racing track where every sunday people gather to watch people crash into each other and race caravans. So much carnage, sometimes I hear they even set on fire!

    Although in fairness they don’t have DRS or double points?!?

    • rapierman

      Hi! NASCAR fan here. Y’all can just come on over to our side of the pond to see that sort of thing. We even turn right on occasion! :-D

  • pear-shaped pete

    Thanks

    Beautifully ranted! I can’t wait for the full rant podcast!

    Which philosopher said “The rant is the window to the soul”?

    Thanks for a podcast quoting Hemmingway!

    Cheers to Todd, Mark and Paul – fighters of bull – one and all

    pear-shaped pete – I want my f1 to have soul

  • Great rant guys. Couldn’t agree more with you guys. the new regulations for 2015 are awful. Standing restarts stupid. I am waiting for the first gearbox to break. F1 is becoming Nascar faster that nascar it self is. F1 needs to go back to basics quit listening to fans and use common sense.

  • Nasar7

    There’s a very simple solution to the whole drivers running wide thing: rip up the asphalt and replace it with grass or gravel. Real consequences for real mistakes.

  • Brody

    The absurdity to think and say that if Lewis had a poor race at Silverstone, that his career could possibly be over and come to an end, is just un-******* believable. Anthony Hamilton said that during his karting days, that whenever he lost he always, always felt terrible. So losing isn’t something new to Hamilton going back to his karting, but he was always managed to go on even with loses, and win karting championship, Formula Renault Championship, Euroseries Championship, GP2 Championship and finally a F1 Championship. Unfortunately for some, Lewis has some years to go in F1, and with the possibility of securing maybe a few more WDC’s.

  • ranger

    i can’t wait til the rantcast. williams is gunning for 3rd in the constructors. very bad race kimi. and maldonado is involved in an accident and he was not at fault great podcast.

  • PM

    In order to “spice up” the show, instead of standing starts and sparks, just provide drivers the technology to talk to each other during the race. Imagine Alonso and Vettel bad mouthing each other while duking it out. I can see this coming in handy in a lot situations such as lapping cars, telling your teammate to move out of the way, and playing I spy when there is nothing happening.

    • You’re making it like the movie “Driven.”

  • jcm

    fake charlie, this fellow canuck thanks you for getting angry about the nonsense that F1 has become.

    great podcast, guys!

  • -Mark
    *The website “F1fanatic.co.uk has complete quail and race team radio transcripts within a week of an event.

    *As one who also reads sporting/tech regs, I too am incredulous about FIA’s actions. I’m of the opinion regs should a.) Improve safety b.) limit speeds to safe track conditions c.) promote technical innovation for the team aspect. FIA must of course listen to the funders, but the balance between CVC/FIA IMO, as well as the fractured team input, leaves the sport in a mess. I hope John Malone buys out CVC.

    *Would you create a survey/poll?
    FIA has a complaint/commentary section on its site; I asked in Todd’s F1 technology Op-Ed about whether fans can influence and/or have the gumption to influence FIA. If interested, comments in the post here:
    http://www.formula1blog.com/f1-news/f1-technology-upgrade-contest-is-google-apple-invited/

    -Paul
    *Cole Trickle reference… Booooooooooooo.

    *Massa avoidance:
    Did you feel he could have avoided Kimi altogether? Whilst the in-car is higher than Massa’s helmet, it still seemed as if Kimi’s dust cloud would have been visible. Massa didn’t lock the fronts until the final right junk, so the rear stepping out was due to steering wheel input only, correct? Massa looked indecisive on whether to go left/right around the Caterham. I wonder if he’d been more decisive and turned earlier, he would have negotiated the accident. Not a knock at all on Massa, just curious.

    -Todd,
    *Regulations and F1 racing purity:

    Your points seemed distinct from Mark/Paul, and unclear to me, so please clarify?. They seem affronted by FIA’s kowtowing to a perceived fan base with non-sporting “fireworks” if you will, that are competition-neutral or detract from competition. Standing restarts for supposed “excitement” whilst ignoring safety and fairness issues, sparking planks, and the recent FRIC ban-proposal. (Paul/Mark, if incorrect, apologies; my impression from the audio.)

    Contrasting, your same-car and WEC examples were opaque to me; are you arguing for closer racing a la 2010, and drivers being the majority differentiators on track? And how would the drivers in equivalent cars such as the Merc improve the actual racing or be more pure? What is the argument of WEC over F1 tech regs, where the former has, as I read it, a *more* open formula? The examples conflict each other.

    Essentially, it sounded like Mark/Paul hope to preserve what’s IMO F1’s historical status quo: Man, machine, team tackling technical and competitive challenges together to see who’s best. You seem to want the visceral experience full-speed quail laps with beautiful, roaring engines screaming across the track, drivers racing close due to parity. Both are totally cool. A friendly debate amongst fans and friends would enhance an already great podcast.

    I think the regs should be looked at on a case by case basis, looking to how it affects the racing and sport ideals, ignoring the inception. To me, a distinction is made between regulation intent and outcome. I agree that the Power Unit regs, for example, weere just as much a kowtowing (this time to financial pressures) as standing restarts (lost viewership), but the on track implications are different. New PU’s reinforce F1’s developmental history, have switched up the order, allow competition (next year; in-year freeze debatable), force the drivers to show their skills, and reinforces the team sport aspect. Standing restarts is a purely spectacle-influenced decision, “excitement” at the cost of potential sporting damage.

    -General podcast topic thoughts:
    *Hamilton’s Prime pace: Where did it come from? Granted, Rosberg’s options were 4 laps or so old, but he went green on his lap… To which Hamilton answered with a lap .9 faster on his 1st Prime flyer. Amazing.

    *According to RBR, Ricciardo was on a 2 stop, but later switched to “wait and see,” then 1 stop after Ricciardo feedback and Vettel’s in traffic woes.

    *Crossing white lines; I’m hypocritical, approving of the Austria enforcement, yet applauding FIA’s leniency Alonso v. Vettel as well. Double standards not fair, and track limits are there for a reason. Solution?

    • MIE

      Regarding Hamilton’s pace on the prime tyre. This coincided with the start of Rosberg’s gearbox issues starting. So the lead Mercedes had already cut its pace to try and get to the end of the race. The fact that this wasn’t known during the race just shows how much faster the silver cars are than the rest of the field.
      There is an analysis behind Autosport’s paywall about who would have won if Rosberg didn’t have a problem, it is not clear who would have won, and both drivers could claim to have had the pace to get the job done. I do hope we get to see more races where the two Mercedes are wheel to wheel this season.

      • Thanks MIE, I’d forgotten Rosberg’s issue an intermittently-continuous, not instantaneous occurrence. He reported issues at the start as well, no? If Rosberg was suffering nursing his car while posting fastest lap (which Hamilton immediately smashed), impressive.

        Lot’s of reliability issues as parts near lifecycle end. Neither here nor there, but I wonder if one of the gearbox selector drums took a dump. If I recall, Rosberg had problems on the odd-numbered gears, like into neutral to 1st in pit and formation, on the shifts in/out of either 3 or 5. It wasn’t cogs themselves, could be electronic, doubtful hydraulic. Weird problem.

    • No…I feel as Paul and Mark do. Very little difference in our opinion on the issue.

  • Sorry adding to typicality long posts, but…

    Raikkonen v. Alonso/Vettel.

    I agree, Raikkonen should have been investigated, likely a penalty. But, what about the patience given Alonso/Vettel due to their stature? Objectively, rules and director mandates should be enforced at all times or not at all, not selectively. As mentioned, I agree with both Austria and Vettel/Alonso enforcement, and also rally for a Raikkonen penalty, so I’m as poor a judge as any.

    It’s subjectivity and humanity at its best/worst.

  • I am a pretty new fan of the podcast, and just want to say how much I enjoy it. Love this podcast! Great insight / analysis.

    • Thanks so much for the kind words John…spread the word to your F1 buddies. :)

  • rpf

    I’ve been listening to the podcast almost 3 years but have never felt the need to post until now.
    This has got to stop!

    Every time Hamilton comes up in the podcast you people start going off on a psycho-analysis bullshit rant. i cant take it anymore. Last years high deg tyre got less coverage from you than “what Lewis is feeling inside on this particular weekend”.

    If you guys have such strong feelings on the matter you should make another weekly podcast along with Grace and call it “F1b’s inside Hamilton’s mind!” where you 4 get to showcase your training in psychology and try to analyze why Lewis didn’t go for a final run in qualy. Was it his feeble personality cracking under pressure? Did Nicole text him on his out lap and he decided he had to get back to the pits? Did Pharell mess with his head the week before?
    Maybe Paul with his extensive knowledge in racing psychology should start a private training session with Lewis? or maybe he just just ring Romain up and ask to get in contact with his shink?! I don’t know but these topics certainly must be discussed at length! just do it in a separate podcast.

    other than that… much love! i really enjoy the podcast!

    R.

    • rpf

      On second thought …my idea was too good to just give it away like that!
      I think i’ll start a formula 1 podcast myself!

      and since i’m not too big on the whole “decorum and civility” thing the podcast will be called “Balls-deep into Hamilton’s head!”.

      I will be a weekly podcast in which me and a couple of my buddies will discuss all things Lewis Hamilton! We will quickly get past all the racing related things and delve deep into what the formula one fan is really interested in – What’s going on in Lewis’ mind?!

      Prior to the launch of the podcast all the hosts will have to complete a 2 week online psychology course so that all the questions which are so important to the formula one fan are properly answered!
      vital questions like:
      What impact has rap music had on the development of Lewis Hamilton as a racing driver?
      Who is the person lurking in the shadows of the formula 1 paddock that is paying Nicole to play mind-games on Lewis?
      How annoyed was Lewis when Nico was banging the football outside his motorhome? Was this the reason he locked up in turn 4?! (I know Ted Kravitz covered this but ..some questions remain unanswered)
      Why didn’t he shake Nico’s hand on the podium in Monaco?
      Is he too hard on himself?
      With all these emotional ups and downs ..should he be on medication? If so… what medication?
      Why 44?
      Is religion a good thing for Lewis’ career? #Blessed
      Why does he always end sentences with “for sure”?
      Has having a private plane impacted his performance in qualy?
      What REALLY happened in 2010?

      …..and many, many more!
      at the end of the podcast we will have “The Lewis Hamilton Shaken Confidence Award” followed by a segment in which a certified sports psychologist will read all of Lewis’ tweets and facebook posts that were made over the past week along with a detailed analysis on how his mood impacted his performance in qualy 2!

      I know for sure there is a niche in the market for such a podcast!! $_$
      I’m sorry f1b but… you’re not doing a good enough job so someone else must step in!

      • the drivers seat

        i’ll watch that

      • Sorry about not liking the Lewis discussions. Would you like a refund or your money back?

        I’ve been listening to my podcasts since 2007 and I hate how we talk about Schumacher, Alonso, Raikkonen and Vettel’s psychology too. What are we? Psychologists?

      • Can’t wait for that podcast!
        Until then I hope F1B keeps covering Lewis’ psychology.

        • the drivers seat

          good thinking! I’ll bring it up at the next F1B team retreat

  • I must be one of the lemmings who prefer a change to the current restarts! My suggestion would be to use a rolling double file restart. The race would go green upon the last row clearing the last corner. Using the light system, the lights would go yellow flashing to green! Cleaning the dirty side to the track could be done during the safety car period, which should be enough time for this action. Under the current system, the leader who has control of the restart has an advantage. Plus F1 drivers are horrible at restarting races! The leader slows the pack to a crawl, then jumps to a lead on the front straight. I can only think of the Indy race, where Schumacher passed Barrichello on the restart.

    Next the Mark’s learning moment, after the race, Sky had posted a video of the Vettel/Alonso battle, but was pulled for the US viewers. Anthony Davidson was providing a very good commentary of the battle, which was an epic dance between two of the sports best drivers. He broke down the video using tap technology, where he illustrated defending, aggression, and chassis strengths/weakness. On several podcasts, Grace and Todd have discussed the need for education the F1 naïve what makes Alonso or Vettel so good. This battle would have been a great learning moment for NBC Sports to highlight the greatness of two champions! Two champions dancing back and forth, wheel to wheel, and not wrecking each other! Awesome, I watched again and again via dvr!! NBC Sports had all the same elements as Sky; technology, driver, and time. Missed opportunity!!!
    Well, not to mention another podcast, the recent UK Motor Sport magazine, really enlightening about road car relevance, technology, cost controls, new rules, and the overall state of Formula 1. The panel was stellar moderated by Nigel Roebuck with Pat Symonds/Williams, Andy Cowell/Mercedes, Cosworth sales and Mark Hughes. Being a F1 fan, I was very impressed and educated about the tremendous steps, advancements, and achievements which have occurred in the past 5 years. For example, five years ago, five teams entered F1 student competition with electric power train and this year 50 teams! To be relevant, F1 has to evolve to survive in this global world which is getting smaller. Will mistake be made? Of course, but remember a sport which started in English garages is now using V6 hybrid powertrains lapping close to 2004 times.

    Todd, Mark, and Paul, again, really enjoyed the podcast!

    • Great call on the Motorsport Mag podcast. It’s always a gem, and the most recent one quite topical. For those that want great insider interviews, stories, some historical perspective, and IMO an invested (read: subjective) but balanced and informed view of current F1, Motorsport Magazine and its podcast is fantastic.

      Some pertinent highlights (if I remember correctly) were the discussions on practical engineering, the state of F1 organization/promotion, sport sustainability, cost control, and so on.

      Two personal items of interest:

      *Engine cost, in absolute dollars, were higher in 2000 and 2006 than 2014 (all year 1 formula changes).

      -I haven’t checked if accurate, but I’ll assume Cowell of Merc HPP, M. Hughes, P. Symonds, and Kirsty Andrew of Cosworth know the figures.

      *If the regs had allowed an open power train formula, save fuel flow or capacity limit, Merc would have pursued an Inline 3 cylinder, lower RPM, Huge boost, with hybrid technology.

      -Striking, but falls in line with basic technical principles regarding RPM v. Torque, benefits of boost and ERS’ ability to fill power band gaps. For those who hate the current sound, imagine a 3 pot revving lower; (although I think the new Mini sounds pretty good).

    • I think, for myself anyway, that evolution is certainly something one would expect from the sport to some extent. You could argue how much football or baseball has evolved but then they don’t use machines like F1. What is more concerning is the evolution which is losing the soul or DNA of F1. Kevin Garside wrote a nice piece for the Independent last week that summed it up relatively well. It’s a very difficult time in F1 right now and it will be interesting to see how it comes out of this change period.

      • Thanks for the Kevin Garside article recommendation, which I just finished. However, when I watch the Bahrain and British GPs with the wheel to wheel battles between Hamilton/Rosberg and Vettel/Alonso. For me that was the DNA of F1; racing pure racing. Retirement of key drivers on the grid might be the major challenge.
        As for the cost cutting, techincal changes, and over regulations in the sport have been a major topic. But at the end of the day, my feelings are that the grey beards like Frank Williams, Ron Dennis, Bernie Eccelstone, Jean Todt, and even Luca de Montezemolo, will do the right thing for Formula 1.

        And if all else fails, we can use our smartphone to use the boost button vote in Formula E!

  • Andreas

    Can’t wait for the “summer break rant” edition podcast. There are plenty of topics to choose from, so it should be a good one :-)

    Agree on giving kudos to Pirelli – tyres were important in this race, but not the deciding factor they were the last couple of seasons. Not that you’re listening, but FIA – please don’t change anything about the tyres!

    Re the Kimi incident – he clearly did not re-enter the track in a safe manner (as the regulations demand). He probably did’t know about the rain gulley/drainage ditch being there, but that’s what track walks are for. I keep reading that Kimi usually skips the track walk – maybe this will change his mind on that? I also hope (I know it’s futile, but one can hope) that it leads to someone re-thinking the run-off zones. I can see how it is safer to have to option of driving straight on if you can’t make that turn, but also think it should be detrimental to your speed. In no way should you be able to keep your foot to the floor and just make a wide arc back on to the track halfway down the straight. If Kimi had been forced to re-enter the track more or less where he left it, none of this would have happened. Why not put up a few well-placed styrofoam advertising boards, to stop people using the run-off area as a slingshot? I’m sure it could be done fairly easily, and if no sponsors are willing to pay for those styrofoam boards, Bernie could always use them for his personal messages to the track owners :-)

    But the biggest “huh?” in all of this goes to the FIA. Not specifically because they didn’t penalise Kimi – I can see how that can go either way, even though it makes the Gutierrez penalty seem odd. But the reasoning why was really odd. Basically, the FIA said that yes, Kimi did leave the track, and since he crashed upon re-entering it, he didn’t exactly do so safely. But because any other driver would have done the same, no penalty should be given. So… does that mean the regulations are to be followed unless it can be argued that “everybody would do it”? Wouldn’t every team push past the 100kg/h fuel flow limit, if they were allowed?

    • Andreas

      Oh, I got so into my own ranting, I forgot to say something about the actual race… :-)

      Great win for Lewis, and with Rosberg’s DNF it brings him right back to 4 points behind. It’s shaping up to be a great season (hopefully not directly impacted by the stupid double points for Abu Dhabi). Best scrap of the race was definitely Alonso/Vettel – I laughed out loud at the “…and again…” team radio :-)

      And regarding track limits, I’ve already confessed to subscribing to Paul’s view that they should be self-policing. But with the tracks we have now, I actually think it’s a good thing the stewards take a hard line, especially in quali. In that environment, time is the advantage to be gained (or not), and it’s an easy call to just disallow a time if the driver was outside the track limit. Assuming there’s still time, it’s just a matter of “try it again”. Judging the “lasting advantage” during the race can be much harder – the Grosjean pass on Massa at Spa was quite clear (he wouldn’t have made it past if he hadn’t made the track a little wider at that point), while other situations can be much more tricky. This time, for instance, Alonso was complaining that Vettel had gone wide just before a DRS measuring point, thus gaining the ability to use DRS. Not that it would have mattered much, seeing as Vettel was in the Red Bull :-) But the bickering was fun to hear, at least. In the end, I suspect the stewards decided to keep out of it since both drivers were doing the same things (so no real advantage was gained by either driver). I know that sort of contradicts my feelings on the FIA reasoning when they didn’t give Kimi a penalty, but hey – who said I needed to be consistent?

      Drive of the race has to go to Bottas – simply a stellar drive by Valtteri, who is now 43 points ahead of Massa. I wonder how Felipe feels about that?

  • rapierman

    1. So, what you’re saying is that Hamilton is like an artificial “Sybil”: You’re not really sure what his actual personality is because it’s been broken into pieces by all those outside influences…including himself.

    2. Wow! A new fuel flow sensor! Next up, watching paint peel! Woohoo!

    3. It’s all about that “road relevance” thing (there’s low profile tires on some cars already).

    4. Now we’ll see Hamilton’s personality on the upswing.

    5. Let’s hope that someone was taking notes on Hamilton’s setup.

    6. No, actually, it also happens in NASCAR: If any part of the track is damaged, barriers included, you stop the race and fix it. I remember a particular race where a guy went sliding across the track, into the infield, then smashed a concrete jersey barrier, rebounded straight back into the wall, then other cars come across the fuel that was spilled and lit it on fire. They stopped the race to replace the concrete barrier that was damaged. It’s all about safety. Took a couple of hours, but it was done.

    7. Well, yanno, if you can’t improve the driver, the only thing you can improve is the car.

    8. Hello, @fia? It’s time for a town hall meeting. Let’s hash this shit out about rules, what is and is not, what shall and shall not be.

    9. If you guys actually do a “rant” podcast, I want in on that. Master Drill Sergeant is ready to scream some FIA folks down….

    10. …..or, better yet, drag the FIA’s collective regulatory body down to Paris Island / Camp Lejeune / Lackland AFB / >insert your favorite boot camp training facility here<, give me a few drill instructors to help me out, and we'll whip them into shape.

    11. This is the second time that Bottas proved that he was worth the trip. He's definitely got a bright future ahead of him.

    12. True confession: I really didn't know much about Bottas before 2013 (anything, in fact). Now that I've seen him in action, I'm a convert. He really does have something; and if Williams sticks with this guy and they keep trying to improve their car, they may end up at the front of the pack, either by end of next year or the year after.

    13. Regardless of all the bad luck Massa gets, at least he keeps his head together, even when disaster happens.

    14. That was a better performance from Vettel this time, even if it isn't a win, and definitely half a great battle (the other half being Alonso). However, I could have done without the whining (even if it was right).

    15. Mark, putting aside what the regs say, if you were to violate a rule, regardless of whether or not you either got an advantage or whether or not you endangered someone or whether or not the rule made any sort of sense whatsoever, do you feel guilty about it afterwards? I guess the point I'm looking for is that I also look at the rules from the vantage point of one's conscience / honor / chivalry / whatever-is-appropriate when you either purposefully violate the rule or inadvertently violate it and then discover that you did.

    16. But I do recall that when Vettel ran wide at a certain turn in Hockenheim, he really did gain an advantage.

    17. A much improved performance for Button. We don't really know for sure if he would have had the race won with another lap or two, but you have to give him a high grade for effort.

    18. Silly season is already here.

    19. Bernie says things to stir the pot. There's always a Machiavellian angle somewhere along the way.

    20. It's kinda like a gun who runs in a 5K who is normally the rabbit, but then he wins the race, turns around and asks where everyone went.

    21. If it weren't for bad luck, Alonso would have no luck at all, but at least he made the most of his situation.

    22. So what's wrong with Race Control binging the revs down by remote control for the time that the car's off the track?

    23. Nice job, Hulk. Sorry that it didn't amount to much, but at least it's better than nothing.

    24. So, traction issues? Maybe some sort of understeer?

    25. Once again, this proves that money can't buy you skill.

    26. Blame Marussia for not keeping their heads together.

    27. Pass goes to Vettel over Alonso, several turns late in the race.

    28. Donkey to Gutierrez for hitting Maldonado.

    29. Drive of the race to Bottas for his outstanding performance to get 2nd place.

  • Fantastic show as always! That’s why I included you on the ‘Best Podcasts For…Formula 1’ page on my site – you really are one of the best F1 shows out there, I’ve been watching it for years but I always come away from your show having learned something, and wondering why I hadn’t spotted it myself!! Keep up the great work!

  • the drivers seat

    Awesome to hear! thanks

  • MIE

    Grace may have to give up some of her zeros for you to be able to afford the refunds?