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As a simple point of interest, Indycar would do well to really capitalize on the open-wheel race fan market by showing what a V6 turbo engine sounds like in their series. With the discussion of Formula 1’s new sound, our poll shows that 70% do not like the sound at all while only 25% do. The remaining 5% don’t care either way.

With that in mind, I posted a comparison using a video by “krookzeh” that compares the 2013 F1 engine note at Australia with this year’s engine sound earlier today and I thought I would also post some 2014 Indycar testing that was uploaded to YouTube by users The Racer Channel and Lanky turtle.

The 2014 Indycar engine is a 2.2 liter V6 twin-turbo engine.

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Now for an F1 comparison in similar conditions:

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What do you think? Do you like the F1 sound of the Indycar sound? If it’s Indycar, then you are the exact person the series needs to be reaching out to. Are you listening Indycar? Now is your chance to capitalize on F1’s changes and get the series back at the forefront of open-wheel racing interest.

It will always be difficult for me to get these sounds out of my head as examples of what F1 did and should sound like. I fell in love with F1 back in the early 70’s watching the Ferrari and Matra V12’s and then the series went to V10 which were hauntingly epic.

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An F1 fan since 1972, NC has spent over 25 years in the technology industry and as a CTO, he focuses on technology integration in commercial workspace design, AV systems integration, digital media strategies, technology planning, consulting, speaking, presenting, sales, content strategy, marketing and brand building.
  • novex

    the f1 car is definitely a more throaty sound, but appears lower pitched. but i think this is due to the single turbo. is the sound what I wanted no. but if the racing is good, I’m not going to complain. f1 should be the pinnacle of technology in motorsports, using naturally aspirated engines doesn’t make sense in this day and age. formula 1 needs to change with the time. Do i wish that they were louder and reving higher? absolutely, but i still want to see them push the technology, so my view is give it a chance, and let’s see how the development goes.

    • Certainly there’s no changing it now so we’ll all have to give it a chance and I’m sure over time we’ll grow accustom to the sound whether we like it or not. You raise a good point though, if it doesn’t make the sport better, what then? And what would we feel that “better” would be via these new engines? Better fuel mileage? Is that worthy of the new format? Other measures that we could consider successful or better? Better racing? Just thinking out loud.

      • novex

        Good questions! Well as was pointed out below one of the great parts about both the turbo and the amount of electric power they have at their hands is the change in the torque curve, and how much more power they have much earlier in the rev band. This creates a much more sensitive throttle pedal and I think you are going to see a much bigger difference between drivers with different styles. This coupled with the lower downforce is going to make the driver the differentiator in different tracks and conditions. There will be more mistakes!

  • jeff

    It’s clear from the number of author posts concerning engine sound on the site that it is F1B’s foremost criticism of the current Formula. Fair enough; I too have written responses that the volume isn’t all that I’d hoped, and that the Renaults sound crappy to me.

    However, is there need for another post that aims to substantiate one’s/a group’s viewpoint? Okay, a poll shows the majority prefer the old sound. Valid. From my reading of the responses, it seems that a lesser-but-still majority, while lamenting the sound, would take the potentially greater driver input and ensuing visual excitement as a fair exchange for the roaring of old. Also Valid. Finally a vocal and still-substantial minority seem to feel the sound is a potential deal-breaker to their continued enjoyment of the sport; again, Valid.

    Point being, there are some outstanding dialogues in several front-page posts concerning the current V6 Turbo’s sounds contrasted to prior motors; wouldn’t it benefit the site to encourage discussion in said posted opinions, and concentrate upon posts with opinions regarding other aspects of Formula 1?

    If the aim is to rally a majority to a viewpoint, then by all means continue posting comparisons to motors in which one might feel is “better” than the new F1 engines. If on the other hand, the point is to encourage fans sharing viewpoints, I’d think posts concerning new matters might prove fruitful. I, myself, will continue posting on the other engine sound posts as it still interests me, while others might be captivated by viewpoints you F1B creators might express on new topics.

    A few that could prove interesting, for example:

    -Does the Kobayashi crash w/ Massa show the low noses being too dangerous?
    -Who has the best looking race suit
    -Why do we have brake by wire?
    -Why hasn’t Red Bull contested the exclusion yet?
    -The new Formula does/does not promote better on track racing/overtaking/whatever
    -The impact of the harder tires, good/bad
    -What can be DONE to better the F1 power units’ sounds
    -Any opinion on F1 traveling to Malaysia in the midst of the Malaysia Air tragedy
    -The potential ramifications of Williams using shorter gearing on the longer tracks
    -What happens if Bernie does indeed sell his F1 holdings
    -Kimi v. Fernando- Post-Round 1 analysis/opinions
    -The most significant technical regulation changed of the past XX years
    -How will F1 cope with the Formula-E competition.

    Some substantive, some anecdotal, serious or humorous, whatever. Just new interesting facets of F1 that might have been ignored in all of our concentration on a single aspect.

    Not trying to say “Do what I say,” but instead encourage further discussion. Having so many posting similar responses because there are similar topics posted makes little sense, to me anyway.

    Thanks for allowing me my opinion.

    • It’s a current talking point Jeff. Not trying to beat a dead horse and I’ve been very clear of my feelings on the matter. I explain why in our latest podcast. We’re exploring one of the tangible changes we fans can discern from a couch. As for driver input, we talk about that on the podcast too. :)

      • jeff

        Great; save podcasts for the morning gym routine, so looking forward to it.

        My issue isn’t your or any opinion, it’s just that it’s already being hashed out in 2 other posts; what’s the point of another?

        There are so many things going on in F1 right now, I’d think you journalists and contributors would want to find the nooks and crannies, particularly as your site proudly is a place to editorialize/opine.

        The sound, whether amazing or horrible, can’t be all encompassing, can it? Or if it is, I’m sorry that it’s so consuming for some; I felt the same w/ the tires last year, so can sympathize.

        In any case, sound is topical; what else is for the F1B staff?

        • I understand your point for sure. There are some really good questions in the posts though and I love that everyone is sharing their hope, disappointment, thrill etc. it’s what we’d all be talking about at a pub over a beer. We do opine quite a bit on the podcast so I hope you enjoy that. As for a contrary view, I think the status quo is the established baseline and needs no defense on why it exists, it’s the rules. :) We’ll have to get used to it or vote with the remote. :) in the end, it’s just the first race and no sense overreacting. Let’s get a few under our belt and see where everything shakes out. May be bigger issues than noise. Idle fuel flow. ;)

  • Darryl Waterford

    Listen to those beautiful V10s and V12s. Amazing. I remember Formula 1 from my youth when I could hear the cars at our local race track on raceday from 30kms away. These new cars are perhaps a sign of the times. A sad sign in my mind but a sign none the less. These cars are becoming technological marvels, not racing driver machines. The way things are going, the driver sits in that cockpit doing so much, working so many buttons, trying to remember what knob adjusts what. Its becoming like racing a PS4. My mind wonders at what point, they will remove the driver from the car and rather operate the vehicle remotely.

    Watching that video yesterday where the F1 cars come down the straight and the viewers are all wearing ear protectors. Yes please. These new cars with their quiet engines. Whats next? We going to start serving tea at races? High society type stuff wtih stiff upper lip as the cars come whirring by.

    In my mind, bring back the hectic engines. Leave the electric motors for Formula E. Bring back Murray! When the lights go out ” GO GO GO ” … This is Formula 1! I dont want to watch statistics and computer games. A race of monitoring tyres and fuel flows! I want to watch a race of balls. A race where like the iconic Nigel Mansell, climbs out of his Renault Williams and literally falls out of the car because he has been pushing so hard.

    The passion in Formula 1 is dying!

  • R

    The sound has got to be the single biggest issue of this new formula. It hardly matters what else has changed or remained the same.
    I can understand that its passed now. We wont go back. Formula 1 has moved on. I hope for any people that ever go to a race live that there is always a pre-eco F1 machine to tear up the air for the spectators though. Just an exhibition lap or 10.

  • dude

    They can keep the sound, just fix the damn noses.

  • wchrisg

    People watch horses and bicycle races no one worries about that being too quiet otherwise we would race on elephants and … i don’t know make bicyclist eat more beans.

    For TV a good sound engineer can bring out the best quality of the engines. I thought the Camera mics did not do justice to the engine tone.

    Could be worse.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqIsFbdLJ7k
    http://youtu.be/7gdqiMw3TAw

  • raceviper13

    Let them use speakers to simulate whatever sound they want. Additionally, Williams can try to fool RedBull into thinking they are still “blowing” the exhaust and force them to try to figure out what tricks they are pulling.

  • nofahz

    I enjoyed: http://bit.ly/1g78fod the dulcet tones of a Caterham being hoisted by a crane

  • @_canuck_

    I think if everyone had their way V12’s would be the choice, but if you download the race with just natural sounds and crank it on a decent system the new cars are pretty good.
    Give them some more fuel and dual pipes.

    • dude

      Arghh matey!

    • wchrisg

      If we had our way the engine specification would be a box the engine had to fit into then anything goes; V4, V6,v12, v16, Boxers, Turbines, Wankel, Rotary Piston, Mr. Fusion, Genetically engineered super kittens on treadmills.
      You could have limits: Must run on Gasoline or Tuna and you can only have 5 engines/kittens per season. At the end of the season you would have to find them a good home.

  • @_canuck_

    that’s going deep brah.
    Maybe get some radioactive tuna from japan.

  • CH

    Ditto Mr. Waterford’s post above. In more ways than just the sound the ‘new’ f1 is muffled. Everyone start with the same fuel allotment of course, but the flow rate at which it can be used is to be ruled too?? Heaven forbid they should allow the team to manage that.
    I could see a Newey exiting this bureaucratic rules-upon -rules-laden mess. I’ve been an F1 fan for decades, has been my favorite series, but there is ever less a window for a Jim Hall, a Chapman, a Newey. Tighter and tighter more spec-like its becoming. And I don’t have any fan friend that gives a hoot about ‘green’ for racing cars. I await a study of how much ‘environmentally wasteful’ fuel it takes to transport the f1 circus around the world, and that’s not even done in the most fuel-efficient travel schedule.

  • Robert

    I’ve been to races during the V10 with traction control and V8 engine formats. The noise actually send chills down your spine when you hear the engine roar specially on the first lap and every fan looks for that. This year’s opening race actually made me feel asleep after the first 10 laps….I always have watched F1 since my high school days when the turbos of Brabham and Renault debuted and the sound was clearly loud and powerful. The 2014 cars sound more like a maid vacuuming the carpet to me…horrible! I will definitely not watch a live race this year.

  • Don

    For some reason no one is answering the question here. Do you prefer the IndyCar sound of F1?

    I prefer the IndyCar sound.

  • Jonsey

    The new F1 sound has a weird mechanical sound, mixed with a whistling / sucking turbo sound at times. Weird, but not as bad as the new noses look.

    The IndyCar sound is a better IMHO. I’d suggest watching this, http://www.racer.com/index.php/videos/item/101166-video-simon-pagenaud-honda-sonoma-in-car-2014

    • It’s definitely “sucking”. One of my fav ad campaigns:

      http://youtu.be/xCIF6JF1O5U

    • Ryan

      Jonsey,
      Thanks for that link. That video of Simon has to be the coolest in-car video I’ve seen. The sound was awesome. That needs to be the normal in-car camera angle for races. Figure out a way to integrate the camera into the helmet.

      Great stuff, was giggling like a little kid the whole way through that video.

  • Brian

    Today`s F1 engines sound muted and sick. Almost painful to listen to. I too fell in love with F1 in the late 70s and have F1`s engines – er power units – have always given me goose bumps. Bring them back!!!!

  • Charles

    IndyCar went through the same debate when it moved from V8 to V6 turbo power in 2012.

    Between the new F1 and IndyCar, IndyCar sounds better. The racing is more interesting too.